tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post1589923823834803798..comments2023-10-20T06:14:52.781-04:00Comments on L.W.ROTH, ARTIST: From Contour Paint-In to Grisaille, The Venetian TechniqueLinda Rothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02833417183469551153noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-29828780610833104522014-09-25T08:03:57.353-04:002014-09-25T08:03:57.353-04:00De Venetiaanse techniek wordt ook wel de Vlaamse t...De Venetiaanse techniek wordt ook wel de Vlaamse techniek. Het werd gebruikt in de hoge renaissance, door zulke meesters als Titiaan. Het is zorgvuldig georganiseerd. Het is arbeidsintensief, maar het palet niet. Het palet werd beperkt tot enkele kleuren.<br /><br />The Venetian technique is also sometimes called the Flemish technique. It was used in the high Renaissance era,by such masters as Titian. It is meticulously organized. It is work intensive, but the palette was not. The palette was limited to a few colors. Linda Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02833417183469551153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-2089047276762162832014-09-24T12:20:47.506-04:002014-09-24T12:20:47.506-04:00Ik ken deze techniek niet het lijkt mij heel moeil...Ik ken deze techniek niet het lijkt mij heel moeilijk om te doen maar jij doet het super ieder in zijn eigen tempo dat geeft niets lieve groetjes DanielleDanielle v/d Horsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181597430774925549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-66562870280171765802014-09-24T08:02:54.245-04:002014-09-24T08:02:54.245-04:00we all could use a fresh eye!
I agree. I wish I ha...we all could use a fresh eye!<br />I agree. I wish I had someone around my studio to tell me what I'm not seeing--or when to stop painting, it's finished. that's why I liked Schmid so much. One pf the first things he wrote was you don't have to cover every inch of canvas once you've captured what made you want to paint that subject; it's done. Obviously, the Venetians didn't think that way, but they were painting not for their own pleasure, but for the gentry and their livelihood. what Todd hasn't mentioned. is that Venetian masters worked in guilds with appretices who did the hard stuff like the grid drawing. :-))<br /><br />nous avons tous pu utiliser un œil neuf! Je suis d'accord. Je voudrais avoir quelqu'un autour de mon studio pour me dire ce que je ne vois pas - ou quand arrêter la peinture, c'est fini. c'est pourquoi j'ai aimé Schmid tellement. Un pf premières choses qu'il a écrit était que vous n'avez pas à couvrir chaque centimètre carré de toile une fois que vous avez capturé ce qui vous voulez peindre ce sujet; c'est fait. De toute évidence, les Vénitiens ne pense pas de cette façon, mais ils peignaient pas pour leur propre plaisir, mais pour la noblesse et leurs moyens de subsistance. ce Todd n'a pas mentionné. est que les maîtres vénitiens ont travaillé dans les guildes avec appretices qui ont fait les choses difficiles comme le dessin de la grille. :-)). I Je devrais dire les trucs ennuyeux bodering sur ennuyeux. Contour n'est pas difficile.Linda Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02833417183469551153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-45596398869820130762014-09-24T07:31:06.328-04:002014-09-24T07:31:06.328-04:00Would you had offered advice though if you were ta...Would you had offered advice though if you were talking to someone who was complaining about her sister looking fat and you knew why she was and how to fix it? Ellis thought I didn't know how to mind my own business. I figured as long as she said something and I saw something in the reference that she didn't, I should tell her. Why leave her standing there still wondering what was wrong? Some teachers/artists/designers are receptive to info coming from an 'underling' ( in their opinion), I don't know Todd that well to know how he is with that. That's an ego thing. I like it when someone helps me cut to the chase rather than leaving me to figure it out for myself. I mean, the holidays aren't that far off. :-)). --trundling. So that's what it's called. I hate it. I think that's why I never did make it outdoors any further than the backyard. Too much schlepping. One of the guys in class said out of the blue, ' I can't understand why artists love that plein air so much.' There's so much stuff to take. I guess he didn't stop to think that there he was with 3 cases of materials for his six hour painting class. What's the difference? :-))Linda Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02833417183469551153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-23106164233900155022014-09-24T07:14:28.820-04:002014-09-24T07:14:28.820-04:00Well she was going to gift the painting to her sis...Well she was going to gift the painting to her sister when she visited over the holidays and was concerned that her sister looked fat. She didn't look fat in the reference. the shadows were off in the painting. There were highlights where there were no highlights. <br /><br />My contour looks like I don't--old. While I put in the lines, (cuz Todd said the more demarcations the better), designating skin tone changes and anatomical details, that just tells me where there will be some very careful blending going on to suggest form. The gal treated some of her lines like deep folds in drapery. Her values weren't close enough to each other. I didn't tell her that. I hoped she'd see it when she squinted at the reference when she stood way back. Linda Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02833417183469551153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-83514628206548013322014-09-23T23:52:30.439-04:002014-09-23T23:52:30.439-04:00This contour drawing is so good. I am glad you are...This contour drawing is so good. I am glad you are showing us the stages. And, I agree with you..it is turning out to be fun (well, I am not doing it...but, I am having fun reading about it). I bet the student was happy for your help. If I had been in the class I would have accepted your advice. Your work is so good and she probably recognizes that you have a handle on things. One of my workshop teachers said: "Try to learn from each other...that's what they do at the Acadamie" (He was from Russia). That stuck with me, because lots of the people around me are very cooperative, sharing what they know. The teacher can't be everywhere. It is nice to give and get help from a "comrade" . I have to agree that trundling gear and materials back and forth is a drag. It is the only thing about outdoor painting that I don't love....trundling. :)Celeste Berginhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06791708298070342301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-31558013954032506502014-09-23T23:40:11.462-04:002014-09-23T23:40:11.462-04:00Bonjour,
Je suis contente de pouvoir voir évoluer...Bonjour,<br /><br />Je suis contente de pouvoir voir évoluer votre oeuvre étape par étape... La prochaine va être aussi de grande ampleur ! J'ai hâte de voir plus !<br /><br />J'aime comme vous avez pu apporter votre jugement en ce qui concerne cette jeune femme qui peignait le portrait de sa soeur. L'oeil parfois se fatigue pour certains détails et oublie celui qui peut tout faire basculer. Il est bon de recevoir un avis qui peut tellement tout améliorer ! La sincérité aide souvent.<br /><br />Gros bisous ✿❀✿martinealisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04055152925986659065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-62323416179656537372014-09-23T22:56:54.831-04:002014-09-23T22:56:54.831-04:00Like watching paint dry. :-)). Who are you kiddin...Like watching paint dry. :-)). Who are you kidding. I just wanted you all to know I was still alive. You're very kind Agnes. ThanksLinda Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02833417183469551153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-64257542812064186892014-09-23T22:54:43.320-04:002014-09-23T22:54:43.320-04:00She seemed pleased when she tried it. She could se...She seemed pleased when she tried it. She could see what I was talking about. I was surprised the instructor never mentioned this simple way of checking values, but then he's teaching a technique to high level students. My work with this small brush is a lesson in itself. At first I was shaky,, two days later I'm starting to free wheel. I had small brushes, I just never had a need for them with the Gestural style. It is , however, uncomfortable to not be working in my studio. Awkward. A lot of packing and unpacking , loading and unloading the car, dragging stuff up and down hills. I work better at home. The interaction is nice though.<br /><br />Linda Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02833417183469551153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-25024482567673256302014-09-23T22:16:31.612-04:002014-09-23T22:16:31.612-04:00It is a pleasure to see your drawing develop - who...It is a pleasure to see your drawing develop - who doesn't love seeing a good contour taking full form?<br />It will be exciting for me to see the next step. <br />We each used to have a reducing glass at art school for times when we could not get up and step back in case of <br />disrupting the space of someone else. Back in the day, it was considered important - and to squint too.<br />You did her a favor.<br /><br />juliefordoliver.blogspot.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07186754679744000743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-74093744088287781692014-09-23T19:53:26.671-04:002014-09-23T19:53:26.671-04:00Can't wait to see what it will look like… your...Can't wait to see what it will look like… your progress is so interesting to watch. Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04735148155885016692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-59070987579467186882014-09-23T18:58:09.841-04:002014-09-23T18:58:09.841-04:00It sounds like you are painting the way I do all t...It sounds like you are painting the way I do all the time :) Pacing, growling, squinting, nose to the board, taking breaks ... I say - take ALLLLL the time you feel you need. And I also agree with you on your gently and tactfully stepping in on that other student's work - good for you!<br />KathrynStudio at the Farmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02900305750995808779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-43704794791833912552014-09-23T18:51:32.651-04:002014-09-23T18:51:32.651-04:00Building patience is something I could use. Maybe...Building patience is something I could use. Maybe this project will calm that urge to finish quickly? That urge, promoted by the artists who blog to sell, made me uneasy. I thought I was too slow. I know you don't think I'm silly, few people who know me do. <br /><br />I couldn't get your comment back. I was hoping it was still in the comment listing on blogger's menu. It wasn't. Sorry again. <br /><br />That model has an interesting air about her. She looks great in a full slip. :-))Linda Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02833417183469551153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-67147024041223816432014-09-23T18:36:26.949-04:002014-09-23T18:36:26.949-04:00Oh, and I don't think you are silly taking the...Oh, and I don't think you are silly taking the course, I admire you for doing it.<br />SharonWrightArtisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10510138090568900945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-9508356457225465252014-09-23T18:35:20.867-04:002014-09-23T18:35:20.867-04:00I do know why you are doing it, really, but I am w...I do know why you are doing it, really, but I am way more impatient than you and I have to take the shortcut!<br />SharonWrightArtisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10510138090568900945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-38780642358546229042014-09-23T15:46:38.581-04:002014-09-23T15:46:38.581-04:00I didn't mean to remove your comment just beca...I didn't mean to remove your comment just because you implied I was doing something silly taking this classical painting class in this modern era of loose gestures and unpainted areas of canvas. My cursor wouldn't work, so I thought I would delete my reply and instead I deleted your comment. Having never taken an oil painting class and being self taught, I thought I should find out how the masters painted. So I am. It's tedious, but classical style portraits are admired by many art enthusiasts, why not know the proper way to do one? There's no such thing as too much knowledge. Anyway, I am sort of liking it. I don't feel rushed--produce, produce, produce. I like that my drawing skills are really being brought into play. And I'm looking at my progress in the same way I looked at my gestural work--squinting from eight feet back. While I used the grid system for the pencil drawing, when I took up the brush, I found myself finding errors and correcting them regardless of any pencil line. This may look like paint in the numbers as you said, but when it comes down to laying in the paint, these lines are just demarcations, I'll be scumbling with the rest of you very shortly--well, relatively shortly. :-)) Okay, I'm going to see if I can retrieve your comment. I don't like it when these machines have a mind of their own. Linda Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02833417183469551153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2153983949078742556.post-78709538502830934992014-09-23T13:36:53.570-04:002014-09-23T13:36:53.570-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.SharonWrightArtisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10510138090568900945noreply@blogger.com